Date: 2009-09-09 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eqfe.livejournal.com
It's all riding on tomorrow night. Hopefully he'll grow some intenstinal fortitude, outline some specifics, and eliminate the rumours of what he might have in mind.

Date: 2009-09-09 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
You know what's REALLY SAD?
If we had all the money we've spent on the Afghan war and the Iraq wars, we'd actually have enough money for a national system of health care.
:(

Date: 2009-09-09 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eqfe.livejournal.com
True, and its starting to feel like Vietnam, the president who promised to get us out is expanding on both fronts.

Date: 2009-09-09 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
Our current President is beginning to realize that he don't run things like he thought he would.
Congress runs things via all the wheeling and dealing and truces and alliances they make behind closed doors...AS IT ALWAYS HAS.
What do you mean "starting to feel like Vietnam"?
Desert Storm felt like Vietnam.
THIS feels like the beginnings of WWII.
I am sorely afraid we will keep messing around until the entire Middle East is involved in this war. I consider it a minor miracle the entire region hasn't already gone down in flames.
:(


Date: 2009-09-10 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
"Congress runs things via all the wheeling and dealing and truces and alliances they make behind closed doors...AS IT ALWAYS HAS." Yep.

Date: 2009-09-10 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
"Our current President is beginning to realize that he don't run things like he thought he would."

Did you see on the news tonight that our President got called a liar out in front of everyone AND on TV during his speech?
:(

Date: 2009-09-12 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
It was a disgusting display of poor impulse control.

Date: 2009-09-12 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
Yes, it was.
Hubby tells me that the guy was right (technically speaking) about whatever the President was talking about at that moment. (I forget what it was.)
:(

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Re: Remember

Date: 2009-09-10 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
Obama wasn't the first politician to use hope and change as campaign platforms. Do you recall any of those Reagan rifts on a rosy future?

Agreeing with Obama on an issue isn't the same as annointing him as world savior, any more than supporting a Bush initiative was hero worship. Reasonable people know that Obama can't solve all our problems.

The wide acceptance of Obama's hope and change campaign was largely due to dissatisfaction with the Bush administration. Perhaps the far right should direct their ire toward Bush, Cheney, and friends.

Re: Remember

Date: 2009-09-10 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eqfe.livejournal.com
Actually Pericles, might have been the first.

Re: Remember

Date: 2009-09-12 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
True. It goes way back.

Most college students don't even know who Pericles was.
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Re: Remember

Date: 2009-09-12 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
Clinton was a conservative by comparison, despite being a libertine.

We are dealing with people with the attention spans of fruit flies and an educational system that spends more time dictating hogwash to children than teaching them to think. We aren't producing statesmen; we're producing parrots.

The change that I'd most like to see is an overhaul of the public schools, starting with the weakening of the teachers' unions and stricter standards for educational degrees. No Child Left Behind did more harm than good, and is an example of Democrat/Republican cooperation gone mad.

Of course we'll keep trying; this is America.:)

Date: 2009-09-09 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logiphage.livejournal.com
Cute but it's a fantasy. You could spend 4 trillion on 'health care reform' and it would be worse than spending 1 trillion. And spending 1 trillion is worse than none. The solution is not to spend more money and regulate more that will just compound the problem that caused prices to be so high in the first place. You can't flood the market with more money, and then draw one size fits all coverage boxes around everyone and not cause massive inefficiencies and much more cost inflation. That means the money we spend goes less far, no matter how you divvy it up less people will get sufficient care.

Failure to understand economics is a right, but legislators voting on that ignorance is lethal. That's why so many people are against it. They can see the results in other countries.

As for the war? I'm with you, let them all kill each other. It's not our job to save them.

Date: 2009-09-10 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
Ignorance is a voluntary disease.

Date: 2009-09-09 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yesididit.livejournal.com
HA!

and that elephant, he has plenty of stupid people of my friends list going 'evil socialist'. fuck, i welcome socialist health care with open fucking arms because SOMETHING is better than absofuckinglutely nothing. except people who already have something dont understand what it is to have nothing and dont want to lose what they already have so that those of us with nothing can have anything.

*end rant* sorry, too many people on my fl going apeshit and i'm getting mighty tired of calling shenanigans. i dont DO politics dammit!

Date: 2009-09-10 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyapple27.livejournal.com
I'm tired of hateful rants that contain no constructive content.

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